Fit after 40: Sugar, Stability, and "Skill Beasts" (feat. Oti) | Ep 25

Paul Fattinger (00:05.624) Welcome to guys like us. If you don't know us already, and that would almost be a miracle after you know, we are in our 25th episode today. So if you don't know us already, what this podcast is about is you know, all the things that you know, we kind of have to admit, we have to start talking about or we should be talking about when we hit our kind of middle age, as we all you know, also to your you're getting there. And so this is a podcast, you know, where we were is a bit of Oti Skillbeast (00:17.838) Okay. Oti Skillbeast (00:31.886) It's better for the Paul Fattinger (00:34.278) real talk and deep talk and fun talk about family leadership, health as today, relationships, you you call it, you name it. And in today's episode, again, for the second time, we have an amazing guest. And besides Mark in New York, hey buddy, I'm very good. We are also happy to welcome Otte in our nice guy style guest group. Hey man, how you doing? Marc (00:39.65) Mm, cool. Marc (00:51.234) Hey, how are you? Oti Skillbeast (01:00.742) Honored honored thank you boys. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me boys Paul Fattinger (01:06.584) Well, thank you for coming. And I just introduced you as Oti because I still have to admit, I never actually spoke out your full name in full in front of you. So I would be embarrassed. Oti Skillbeast (01:17.838) So my full name is my first name is Ottmane and my last name that's where the tongue breaks is Kavietadiko. Yeah so my dad is afro-american with Congonese background and my mom is from Morocco so I'm a kind of funny cocktail. Paul Fattinger (01:22.076) that I can do. Paul Fattinger (01:27.954) That is it. Marc (01:28.248) Cool, a kick-ass name. What's the... Marc (01:42.2) That's an awesome cocktail. Paul Fattinger (01:42.564) Nice man. Oti Skillbeast (01:43.574) Yeah, yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:45.318) But your feet are touching the ground, not so far from where my feet are touching the ground, right? Oti Skillbeast (01:50.575) Exactly. So live in Vienna since, or in Austria since I'm six years old, so it's around 20, you know, excuse my math, 34 years. So I'm turning 40 this year. Paul Fattinger (02:01.931) Exactly, here we go, here we go. So it's a Monday, how you guys been doing? How was your weekends? Everything relaxed? Fine? What's going on? Mark? Marc (02:02.498) Bye. Nice. Oti Skillbeast (02:10.648) You start, Mark. Marc (02:13.367) I, you know, I, I had a big week. I actually, I resigned from my job last, last week and, I can share more about that later, but, I'm going to, yeah, exactly. I'm putting all my chips in this podcast. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. All the work exactly. I now have time for. Paul Fattinger (02:14.671) You had a big week. Paul Fattinger (02:25.339) He's finally becoming a full-time podcast host. So he's finally going to do all the work that I've been doing so far. That's great. Oti Skillbeast (02:25.41) yet. Oti Skillbeast (02:29.454) Congrats! Marc (02:39.639) I was gifted by someone this amazing bottle of champagne, magnum, a bellicot, some of one of my favorites, yeah. And so, which is cool. But then my weekend, oh yeah, you should, don't worry, it's gonna be saved. But unfortunately, the weekend was a bit of good well wishing and celebrating and there will be no alcohol in my evening tonight, that's for sure, that I'll be drinking because I drank all of that and some. Oti Skillbeast (02:46.048) Is that him? Cool. Paul Fattinger (02:48.113) That's very nice. I've already booked my ticket to drink this with you, by the way. I didn't tell you. Oti Skillbeast (03:00.334) Mm-hmm. Marc (03:09.469) over the weekend. And I'll tell, actually, and here's a ritual, it's funny. Two little stories about the weekend, but it's important. So one is, there's an amazing restaurant called, well, it's an okay restaurant, but it's a great vibe, called Balthazar, very famous in New York. Yeah, I have an annual ritual. I go there with two friends, and we go to the restaurant and we just sit and we don't leave for like six hours. And so the way it works is usually, Oti Skillbeast (03:09.486) Hahaha. Paul Fattinger (03:11.409) You Oti Skillbeast (03:24.696) Mm-hmm. Paul Fattinger (03:24.913) Of course we've been there for breakfast once. Marc (03:37.112) you know, we open some bottles of champagne and some oysters and then we go to, then we go to Martin, it's me and two ladies and they were hardcore. Like, like they just, and they go, then they come to martinis and then come, then come the steak frites and then like another bottle of Bordeaux and like, and this one was, I couldn't, I couldn't remember how I got home on Monday, really, Friday to be honest. And that kind of kicked off, kicked off the weekend. So. Oti Skillbeast (03:40.568) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (03:48.326) my god. Paul Fattinger (03:57.841) Nice! Oti Skillbeast (03:57.974) Yeah Marc (04:03.22) Anyway, that's how I'm entering into this conversation. So I think like, you know, health is a proper. Oti Skillbeast (04:08.972) It's been proper. Paul Fattinger (04:10.999) Nice. Mine was the opposite, but Otzi, how was yours? Oti Skillbeast (04:16.91) Dude, know, now January is full of New Year's resolutions. have lots, lots, lots of work, lots, lots, lots of projects, lots, lots, lots of protocols and stuff I need to focus on. yeah, I mean, it's a lot of work at the moment. Work, work, work, know, hustle, hustle, hustle. And, but you know, I love it, you know, I love what I'm doing. I love that people are depending on me and... Marc (04:24.29) my god. Exactly. Paul Fattinger (04:33.701) Work. Oti Skillbeast (04:44.714) I kind of need it as well and so I'm happy. Paul Fattinger (04:46.479) Nice. Well, nice, man. Let's jump into this in a second. just have... I had the opposite weekend of yours, Mike, because me coming off a bender in South Africa, I did not drink, barely, barely drank. I think I had a glass of red wine on Saturday or maybe two. But my big mission now in life is to get my HRV up again, which is already a very nerdy approach to fitness. We can talk about this later. We talked about this. So I managed, actually. Oti Skillbeast (05:11.062) Mm-hmm. Marc (05:11.61) my god. Paul Fattinger (05:14.553) I'm managing, with very, I went very in a very deep rabbit hole. Me and my new best friend, Google Gemini, we're exploring this and it's quite sad actually if I say it out a lot. But hey, anyways, the reason we came together here today also with Otzi was we had this amazing episode last week about New Year's resolutions, which I posted on LinkedIn that Mike said the dry January is bullshit. I never got so little likes on a post like this one. I don't know what it did. Marc (05:15.64) I'm proud of you. Oti Skillbeast (05:22.732) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (05:42.873) I think it was banned by LinkedIn in Europe or something because the only likes we got were actually from Mark's friends in the US. So I don't know what was going on with that algorithm, but we got completely fucked on this post. And anyways, I mean... Marc (05:51.042) I don't know what was happening either. and who, who's someone from like alcohol anonymous was yelling at me on your own as one of the comments. Yeah, I was like, I was like, who are you? Like, I was just, it's a true point. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oti Skillbeast (05:54.025) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (05:59.506) was like, seriously, dude, what the fuck is this? At least read the whole fucking post, right? Because it actually... Anyways, so to everyone who short-cutted me on likes there, go read the fucking post. Thank you. That might have been my idiot of the week already, now that I think about it. But anyways, we also cited a really fun fact. I don't know if you knew that, Otte. Oti Skillbeast (05:59.618) Hehehehehe Marc (06:14.648) Thank you. Marc (06:19.98) Hahaha! Oti Skillbeast (06:20.173) Hahaha! Paul Fattinger (06:29.581) I think it was Strava published this like a few years back, five years back, that 67 % of the goals that were set at the beginning of the year, right, were abandoned by the second Friday of January. Oti Skillbeast (06:34.465) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (06:45.003) Yeah, yeah, and 80 % till February. Paul Fattinger (06:46.001) So that's insane. Marc (06:49.186) Yeah, okay. Paul Fattinger (06:49.425) Exactly. And then by June you had to make new ones. mean, without further ado, Otzi, please tell us, we kind of know Mark a bit less, but what do you do? What is your mission in life? Oti Skillbeast (07:05.077) So, like I said, my name is Odi. I'm personal trainer since I'm 22, so around 18 years now. It's gonna become 18 years. I even started early to be honest. So I started to play football when I was five years old. I kind of fell in love with it. Yeah, American football. I fell in love with it because my... Paul Fattinger (07:23.503) American football. Marc (07:26.519) wow, OK. Oti Skillbeast (07:31.565) So my parents divorced very early when I was small. I kind of lost the track because no father, blah blah blah. So my mom was like, hey, before you go on the streets, go play a sport. It was for me, American football, and that's I learned discipline. I learned effort. I learned all these social skills I didn't have at that age. And it became even more more more important for me than the coaches saw that I really like. went off in my role as a good player, mentor-ish, whatever. And they even wanted me to be on the practices of the small kids and show them the skills and the tricks. And I loved that role. It made me feel a certain way. It made me feel needed, kind of. Marc (08:06.594) Mm. Marc (08:26.648) Hmm. Oti Skillbeast (08:27.445) You know, and you know, as a young kid who thought your dad left you and because he doesn't need you, it was like the perfect fit. And also like in my whole life, every time when I had like a dark, dark, dark time in my life, you know, that that that steel, that banging, that that working out that, you know, that Marc (08:42.018) Hmm. Oti Skillbeast (08:53.165) Working on yourself and and get your confidence up and just to look yourself back in the mirror. That was like such a Ritual for me. Yeah, it always brought me back. Yeah, it always brought me back So it's not about the good looks for me. Never sports is never about the good looks. Sports is for me was every time a fear point a friend was a place where I can go and Marc (09:02.228) super interesting. Oti Skillbeast (09:21.613) Be unhappy, be lost, be vulnerable. I know always when I... I'm there and I'm going to spend some time there. I'm going to be better. So that was always my feeling for sport. Paul Fattinger (09:38.833) Hmm. Marc (09:41.273) Can I ask you, Oddie, like that's interesting, like not to cut you off, but like, it sounds like your relationship started at first as being a place to channel your anger and also be seen. And I imagine being, you know, a trainer for so long, like how has your relationship with that changed over time? Oti Skillbeast (09:53.869) Exactly, exactly. Marc (10:06.424) I imagine some of your anger has receded, it's become something different for you, or is it always everything at once? Oti Skillbeast (10:14.145) Bro, it became like even more and more impotent for me to be honest because so I did the school, I did the school thing. I was good in school, but I really struggled because I have ADHD. So I always was the class clown. So always tried to be funny, talked a lot, but I was good in school, but a new school wasn't for me. So I did what we call the higher business school in Austria and I did my matura and stuff. And then it was like, Marc (10:26.552) Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (10:41.741) Do I go for university or do I do you have to do your military time here? Anyway, so I went for military. I spent there for three years. So I really spent there for three years. But I was like, you know, I didn't want to do the university. And that's why I did the military, because you need to get some money. And I didn't know what to do. Right. I had this three years. I made their special forces. We call it Jakomando here in Neustadt. I've been there for three years. Then I did there like a bodyguarding. I call it, it's what is in the works. Internship, yeah, training. And after I finished the military, a friend of mine, he had a bodyguard company and I worked for a very rich person here in Austria for four years. And in those four years, yeah. Paul Fattinger (11:22.316) Yeah, training. Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (11:41.133) I lost myself. I was overworked because you have to be ready in 15 minutes. You have to be there whenever they want. I lost everything that made me like me. I'm the happy guy. I love to talk. I love to spend time with my people. I want to be seen. Yes, there you are nothing. You're a tool. Marc (11:54.904) Sure. Oti Skillbeast (12:10.132) We've been like eight people during the day and eight people overnight. So it was like you were just a number, right? Yeah. And then I had like a really crazy burnout from that, like with 26. So started with 22 and I stopped with 26. And well, I'm not going to tell you, I really earned a lot of money in that four years. Yeah. But I spent it even more. Yeah, so so so so after that month bro, yeah Bro, yes, and I played football as well. Yeah, I still had like some personal trainings in that time But like very minimal. Yeah, so I had some clients I I still had trainings with but very because you know, like I said, yeah, you have to be ready in 15 minutes by and well Paul Fattinger (12:38.731) You Marc (12:39.211) Ha ha ha ha ha ha! That's like an American football player, you know? Marc (13:06.455) So wait, sorry, just for clarity, T, wait, sorry. You were like a bodyguard for a high net worth individual. Like, of like in those movies, those guys who dress in all black and like carry the guns. Right. I never met, no, yeah, that was my next question. for those who can't see you, you kind of look like Rick Ross, and I mean that in the best way of like a fit Rick Ross, you know, so like I could see you. Oti Skillbeast (13:11.796) Yeah. Yes. Oti Skillbeast (13:17.29) Yeah, yeah, yeah. exactly. Yeah. Maybach, Maybach, black limousine, weapon, all that stuff. Oti Skillbeast (13:31.948) Yeah, yeah, yeah, it fits a little, yeah, it fits a little, yeah, you're right, you're right. Marc (13:34.519) Cause you said Maybach, I'm thinking Maybach music. yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I could see. Wow. I never met her like a real life body. So OK, I know there's another podcast about where all the things you learned about guarding high network individuals. Paul Fattinger (13:42.449) You Oti Skillbeast (13:51.788) Yeah Paul Fattinger (13:53.202) No, I told you, I just, maybe I shouldn't have, right? Maybe we should start with this and do the whole training stuff later and talk about that. Because this is, also starting, I'm getting, I have so many questions, man. It's like. Marc (13:59.874) Yeah. So am I. Exactly. But you're like the guy that Jason Statham like knocks out as he goes to the evil guy. Or the other way around. Yeah, exactly. Oti Skillbeast (14:00.544) Haha Oti Skillbeast (14:05.599) You Oti Skillbeast (14:12.724) Yeah, kinda, Paul Fattinger (14:14.745) or the other way around, right? I mean, maybe it's a plot twist here. But then, and then you started training models. How did that go? Oti Skillbeast (14:22.124) I mean, I always kind of trained models during my time when I was here in Vienna. But I did like really, I don't know, like one client, two clients per week because I didn't have the time for it. With 26, like I said, burnout, I was like, fuck it, I don't want to do it anymore. do we swear? Yeah. Can we swear? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Marc (14:31.295) Mm. Marc (14:49.463) Yeah, of course we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oti Skillbeast (14:51.698) And I'm sorry, I shouldn't have asked before. well, expensive girlfriend, expensive flat, expensive car, yeah, expensive lifestyle. And all that was gone, of course, because, you know, I just said, yeah, I'm out without even thinking about anything. And I lost everything, dude. For six months, I lived on couches, I lived on the street, I had nothing. Paul Fattinger (14:55.481) No, wrong podcast. Paul Fattinger (15:14.513) Mm. Oti Skillbeast (15:20.842) really was like surviving by the... How do you say, Yeah, on the bare minimum, but... the... Goodwill, my friends. Thank you. Yeah, through the goodwill of my friends. And, you know, slept on couches. And this is like one of the dark, dark times I had in my life, where... Paul Fattinger (15:26.714) on the bare minimum. Marc (15:36.197) through the goodwill of your friends, right? Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (15:49.217) The only thing that saved me, honestly, going to the gym, you know, I had my hoodie on. I was feeling so embarrassed. was feeling so ashamed for myself. I was ashamed for myself. And that was the time when I started, you know, just simple working out, you know, but it wasn't about looking good. It was just get my ass out of the flat because I was so depressed that I couldn't see myself in the mirror. I just was on the couch, you know. God bless, I always had the fear of not taking drugs, of not drinking, of not smoking. Because I have a very addictive personality. What I mean is that you get to know me and you're super hooked. I was always like, you know... knew when I... Yeah, because, know, bro... I knew when I start with something... Marc (16:31.608) Mmm. Paul Fattinger (16:33.819) So you're talking to the right people here. We're just not as wise as you because we do everything. Marc (16:41.782) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (16:47.564) It's gonna end me. I always knew that. Yeah, I always knew that. And, um... Marc (16:49.784) Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (16:56.031) Yeah, that was like one of the darkest things. And then, you know, when I got back, when I felt myself ready, started to give again personal drinks. People came, were super happy. Then I started to post my work on Instagram and got some followership. yeah, then so 27 ish, the models came and then it goes and went up. Yeah. Marc (17:13.88) Mmm. Marc (17:24.086) Got it. And how does it work in personal training? Do you? I mean, well, no, just curious, like, how did you first build your personal brand? mean, I think like all trainers, I guess, like, like you covet the the models and you covered the celebrities, right? The minor Paul Fattinger (17:25.137) Sorry. Sorry. Oti Skillbeast (17:29.43) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (17:38.7) Bro, you know, when you're an American football player, of course, you have a lot of training, you have a lot of coaches, you have a lot of training. And I always trained heavy. Yeah, because of course, yeah, you're 170 kilo guy, you need to push 170 kilo boys. So you need to train heavy. Yeah. So I did things like 250 kilos chest press on the on the bench, I did like 360, 390 kilos, squats, all that stuff. And it worked. And it worked. I did bad lifts with 600 kilos sometimes. 600 kilos with 460 kilos. And that was like my absolute, yeah, but I was huge, dude. And I always try to not... Paul Fattinger (18:10.426) Marc (18:10.936) Ha Marc (18:19.084) Wow. Wow. Oti Skillbeast (18:31.113) I always tried to do heavy as possible. Heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy as possible. That was always my thing. So on the last year, like with 25, 26, one guy like came from a side. Yeah. And when you're good in football, they try to cup like you're, and it was allowed in that time. Yeah. So cup block is someone is going to shoot right into your knee. You don't going to see it coming. you're gonna be afraid for the next attempt and that's how they play their man game. So the problem was one guy was holding me from the front and the other one was shooting my knee so couldn't like... yeah. So my knee was done, yeah. So I lost my sidebands, I lost my ACL, I lost my mini-ski, so the knee was done. But I had such huge quads, I didn't feel it till three months later. Yeah, because I just felt that my knee was like jumping out and in like four times, right? Marc (19:04.358) Oti Skillbeast (19:25.483) But it was there. I still couldn't play it for three months before I went to the doctor. I was like, doctor, something is wrong. And he was like, dude, how do you walk? So three days later, was on the surgery table and he fixed me up. And then I had to adjust. Yeah, of course, you can't do heavy. So then I started to find the solution. And the solution was... Paul Fattinger (19:36.631) Jesus Christ. Marc (19:45.182) Mm. Yeah. Right. Oti Skillbeast (19:53.42) go more to functionality, go more to strength endurance, yeah, get the kilos down because like I said, it was 170, 177 kilos that in that period. So you needed to get to cut some weight. I changed my, of course my diet. So I lost like in six months around, I think 45 kilos or something. Yeah. Changed it completely up. Yeah. And Marc (20:15.308) Wow. Oti Skillbeast (20:20.203) Yeah, that's how I called, that's how Skill Beast, that's my brand. Yeah, that's how I invented it, honestly. So because, know, I always was a beast. It's not so and then I wanted to be a skill beast because that's better than a beast. Yeah. So I said Skill Beast. that's it. So it's just kid thinking. Yeah. But, you know, it was it was the name. Marc (20:26.104) Mmm. Marc (20:37.208) Sure. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (20:46.955) And the name was something I really wanted to develop and to follow up. Paul Fattinger (20:56.419) And you were early in that with a trend that also was developing kind of anyways with, with, know, functional training, less weight, more, you know, more range of motion, more body weight, et cetera, et cetera. But you kind of did that on the side and, and, and, and, know, that wave came, came together with you as soon as you start paddling somehow in a sense, is that. Oti Skillbeast (21:04.171) Mmm. Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (21:08.861) Yeah Oti Skillbeast (21:17.183) Yeah, it was really God-given to be honest. I honestly think also, I don't know about guys, but for someone who's coming with my background, you don't know it, Marc, but to be black in that time when I came to Austria wasn't the best thing to do because there it was still cool to be a skin, a Nazi, etc. And I lived on the countryside as well. Marc (21:46.348) No way. Oti Skillbeast (21:46.698) That's even worse. The first 20 years I lived in Baden. Baden is like little more outside of Vienna. And we were the only black people. Four boys, by the way, four boys. So, well, had only every day, you know, I had to go with my brothers to the school because there always like some kids pointing at them and screaming the N-word and stuff, you know. And we always had to fight and stuff. there was also a thing why I got big, I got huge. I always wanted to be someone who can protect and someone who people don't want to approach and start to mess with. There was also a big thing why... Bro, I don't think I was under 100 kilos since I was 12. Paul Fattinger (22:32.177) 177 kilos would do that. Oti Skillbeast (22:41.643) Yes, I was always huge. Yeah, I was always a big boy. Paul Fattinger (22:42.513) Holy cow. Wow. That's incredible story, man. That's an incredible story. It's like I don't... Yeah, go ahead, Mike. Marc (22:47.479) incredible. Marc (22:56.581) I know, just have a lot. So where's Baden? Like relative to Vienna. Paul Fattinger (22:59.921) Baden is south of Vienna. It's like 50 kilometers. Oti Skillbeast (23:00.307) It's like a half. South of Vienna, you would love it, honestly. We would love it because it's a vine region. So you have a lot of beautiful, beautiful smiles. I mean, I saw the champagne and I met you today, but I saw the champagne so I know what you like. Marc (23:09.836) Yes. Paul Fattinger (23:11.109) Yes, count me in. It's in the tour. It's in the tour. It's on the way. It's no, it's on the way to the south. No, but you know what's interesting is like, I mean, on a totally different scale and comparison, you know, as with many changes in life, right, we go through them when something profound happens to us. You know, we talked about those mental changes that that, know, we go through also that kind of period of our lives where we are right now. Marc (23:17.144) Oti Skillbeast (23:29.184) Mmm. Paul Fattinger (23:37.362) I talked about nine quite a bit and I had a similar thing on my on my body when I had a really bad accident 11 years ago. And, know, I'll tell you, still working on this when I fell on the on the race bike and I completely shattered my my femur and the neck of my femur and I had two surgeries and I still carry a very long like a 30 something centimeter scar from my left hip across, you know, half of my thigh. And it troubles me. It fucks me up and I know how much. But it's also when I actually started. Oti Skillbeast (23:43.232) Yeah. Marc (23:50.954) Yeah, of course. Oti Skillbeast (24:03.744) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (24:07.185) you working out and listening to my body more closely because, and I was 33 back then, so I was still young, but also when, you know, you work like I did, you know, traveling a lot, working long hours, you start feeling the consequences. And that thing just never let me off the hook in the sense that if ever I stopped doing something for more than I would say one, two months, I started feeling it right away. I started feeling it in my hip. Oti Skillbeast (24:14.058) Perfect. Oti Skillbeast (24:25.598) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Marc (24:35.064) Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (24:35.273) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (24:36.145) And about two weeks later, it shot in my back and I couldn't stand, lie, walk, or do whatever unless I went to a doctor who would put a huge needle inside of my back. So it was almost like a watchdog for me. And actually that period now is reduced not to two months, and that's 10, 11 years later, being 44, I think after two weeks not doing something, my hip says, hello, you need to move, you need to stretch, you need to do something. So for me, it was really almost a... Oti Skillbeast (24:46.058) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (24:50.004) Yeah Paul Fattinger (25:02.769) a guardian angel and it got me also into more functional training because before that I just went to the gym and did whatever the, you And for that I worked with the physio. I worked with people who knew what they were doing, you know, one sided and you start feeling your body in a different way. to me that also opened the way how I, you know, how I met you then, because I was already open to this kind of training. And, and frankly, I never knew because you were so connected also, you know, Oti Skillbeast (25:06.57) Mm-hmm. Mm. Oti Skillbeast (25:20.052) course. Oti Skillbeast (25:27.306) Mm-hmm. Paul Fattinger (25:32.217) in your public appearance with training mainly female clients that I didn't know what you would do with me there. And then I had a friend who went there, Maxi, and he said, you know, I'm going to Ooty, he's this great guy. I yeah, I know him from Instagram. He said, yeah, you should go there, he's really great, he's good. And I went and I've been, I know, we looked at the stats 99 times officially last year, if unofficially, I think I went a few times more often. Oti Skillbeast (25:37.566) Thank you. Mm-hmm. I mean that's yeah, yeah Marc (25:44.28) That's why you've got such a great ass, Paul. Oti Skillbeast (25:58.506) Yeah, if we were those more. Paul Fattinger (26:02.034) So, coming to say that these big events in your life can have an effect and I wanted to lead into that and that's why I asked before why you trained models was kind of a joky question because obviously Mark and I are neither female models nor male models as much as we would like to be. Mark maybe, has a pretty face. But so, what's the big difference or what is the thing that... Marc (26:24.161) Mm. Paul Fattinger (26:30.021) you know, men that are approaching or are over their 40s need to be aware of first of all, you know, what's changing in their bodies and what's also not maybe. Marc (26:37.175) Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (26:38.43) Yeah, I mean first of all, that's kinda similar, but not as... I'm not gonna say bad, but it has not as profound... Paul Fattinger (26:51.001) as profound. Oti Skillbeast (26:59.21) as profound bad influence on the men's body than on the women's body. So when women's body get into menopause, it's a little more complicated than with men. Men, we should know from 30, we're going to lose 1 % of our testosterone. So you kind of learn from year to year, you're not that... Paul Fattinger (27:01.681) is with women. Paul Fattinger (27:29.115) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Marc (27:29.215) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oti Skillbeast (27:30.89) invincible as you think you are because you know when you're young you can do anything bro you jump from a tree and you laugh and you're happy and okay now the time is 35 years old yeah you stand up and your back is aching so what's happening here yeah or you sneeze and your rib cage is out so you need to be careful Marc (27:39.191) That's right. Marc (27:47.617) Mm. Mm. Oti Skillbeast (27:55.307) Or need to just be aware. Be aware that your body is your best friend when you take care of him. And your body is your worst enemy when you don't give a shit about him. So be careful with things. Insanity. You have to be careful with what you eat. Marc (27:57.911) Hmm. Paul Fattinger (28:17.871) with it. Oti Skillbeast (28:24.254) You have to be careful with how much stress you have. have to be careful with... Do you have enough time to take care of yourself? Do you have enough me time? Me time becomes even more important the older you get, honestly. Also, not only for the physical. Exactly, exactly. Marc (28:49.144) especially with kids. mean... Oti Skillbeast (28:53.578) Not only from the physical aspect, but also more important for the mental aspect. So yeah, with kids by the way. I tried a lot of women like he said and I love the human body. I love what the human body can do. I love how the human body performs. I love how the human body repairs himself. I also love how the human body tries to find a solution for conflicts in the body. It's fascinating for me. And the most fascinating part about the human body is of course women that give birth. Insane. It's insane. And I know you can't imagine, but when you are there, bro, for years and years, and you see a woman give birth and go back to that body that she has before and even get a better body than she has before, it's beautiful. It's a wonder. It's insane. I get goose bumps when I talk about it. Marc (29:38.008) Mmm. Paul Fattinger (29:42.897) Yeah Oti Skillbeast (30:05.776) And also, not even again, not only the physical part of it, the mental part, because when women give birth, the next two years, it's not about her. It's not about her. It's only about the kid. It's only about the household. It's only, you know, and that's insanely heavy, bro. That's an insane task to take on. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (30:21.232) Hmm, yeah, of course. Marc (30:22.338) That's right. Oti Skillbeast (30:35.305) And that's why I have such huge respect for women. And also because my mom was a single mom, God bless her soul. And we've been four boys, yeah. We had everything to play with. We had always a plate. Thank you, And bro. Paul Fattinger (30:46.514) Jeez, that's tough, Yeah. Marc (30:53.984) Yeah, a full table full of food. Paul Fattinger (30:54.022) Yeah, full plate. Yeah, enough to eat. Which I'm sure you ate a lot, Sorry, too. Marc (30:58.978) Yeah, exactly. Oti Skillbeast (31:00.745) Yeah, but also because I never wanted to take supplements and stuff. So always try to get everything to food. Marc (31:07.736) Yeah, that was my next question. Did you ever take any shortcuts? But I guess no, Okay, what is the, so you already answered the supplement question, which is great. So I think like, what are the most common mistakes that men in their 40s, and by the way, I just appreciate everything you just said, of course. But, you know, as people kind of enter the year, it's all your clients, no doubt, are trying to get fit or, know, create, Paul Fattinger (31:09.852) That's an hour. There's so many questions. There's so many questions. Oti Skillbeast (31:13.053) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (31:22.459) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (31:27.549) Thank you. Oti Skillbeast (31:35.185) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Marc (31:36.856) created new habits or behaviors, but working out to your point in your 40s is very different than it is when you're invincible. And what are the mistakes that you most common mistakes you most see that should be avoided? Oti Skillbeast (31:42.599) Yep. Yep. Yep. Oti Skillbeast (31:53.93) So let's start with the the physical aspect, okay, as of the training. So the solution should never be to look good only in the mirror. The solution or the aspect for training should always be how can I raise my quality of life? All right. So what do I mean? When I feel that my hip Marc (31:59.234) Mm. Oti Skillbeast (32:21.723) is super sticky and I can't turn my back, whatever. I should approach that with low volume. Try to get the feeling, the mind-body connection first of all back before I go to heavy lifting, whatever. Don't start too fast. Most of the people are doing the same shit every time. I'm 40, I have a belly. I'm gonna stop drink now and I'm gonna go to the gym. And I'm gonna start to do all these machines where you are in Zwangslage. How you call it in... But you know what I mean? In a forced position, so you always work the big muscle. So, then I'm gonna be on my phone. I'm not gonna warm up. I'm gonna do one bad rep. My shoulder is out. Fuck sport. Fuck everything with it. I don't wanna do this anymore. Stop it. So, 10 years later. Okay, not only the shoulder is fucked up. My lower back is fucked up. Paul Fattinger (32:53.362) Yeah, in the fourth position, yeah. Marc (32:56.013) Yeah. Marc (32:59.298) Yeah, yeah. Marc (33:09.197) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (33:18.011) My hip can turn and all this shit comes together. So start slow. Find this mind body connection back. I always would suggest like find someone who is more... How you call it? Marc (33:26.839) Hmm. Oti Skillbeast (33:39.529) who has more experience in that field. If you don't want to afford a coach or a trainer or someone like you, you can make an appointment with and who's really just get you for the first five to ten classes. you have someone with the second pair of eye who watches your mistakes. Paul Fattinger (33:41.134) German. Marc (34:00.12) Hmm. Marc (34:04.057) Hmm. Oti Skillbeast (34:06.186) fixes all the problems you have now so you can have a head start to, I don't know, maybe you go down by yourself or whatever. So I would suggest really, if you haven't done training for the last 10 years, find someone you trust, find someone who has also the know-how and the knowledge to guide you. Five classes, 10 classes, invest in yourself. Before you do the mistake, go alone. Paul Fattinger (34:27.356) Mm. Oti Skillbeast (34:35.859) hurt yourself and get out of the gym with the thought fuck sport yeah you know and Paul Fattinger (34:43.238) Yeah. Yeah. But you know, so can interrupt? I remembered one thing in the very beginning when I started with you, you were, actually said it to, to, to one of the women you train and you talked about, think, you know, running and stuff. you said in a very sincere, it's like, don't run. It's very bad for you. Right. And is, is, you know, I don't know why you can experience bad for women, but, or not bad, but it's, there's other better things to do. What is it? Oti Skillbeast (34:50.398) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (34:57.235) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (35:01.341) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Marc (35:05.72) That's it. Paul Fattinger (35:12.58) for men that is really bad for them. Is it that they push around too much weight and do too little mobility? And what's the most common mistake you see in the guys who start with you, right? I mean, for me, maybe just to jump in here, I did lots of running in my late 30s and beginning of the 40s. I also ran away from a lot of things. I mean, that was part of it, quite literally. And so this is how I lost myself. But... Oti Skillbeast (35:20.275) So, Oti Skillbeast (35:24.787) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (35:29.255) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (35:38.258) But then I also read somewhere that it becomes harder and harder for men over 40 to build muscle, which is, I think, due to the fact that you lose 1 % of your testosterone level every year since then you're 20. So by that, you lost 20 % and testosterone is important to build your muscle. And there's a lot about, I think also the protein synthesis, et cetera, et cetera. So it becomes a bit harder to build muscle for us. And so I was like, okay, fuck all the muscle you haven't built in those years. I think it's a bit exaggerated by the Instagram. Oti Skillbeast (35:47.974) Exactly. Oti Skillbeast (35:57.735) And also, know, exactly. Paul Fattinger (36:07.622) You know, then then you get all these gray haired dudes with like six packs and you get a real panic, right? Which is also all the wrong things. But that's how I, to me it came, okay, I need to do less of the cardio stuff and more of the, you know, really looking after strength as well. and, and how I got there. Oti Skillbeast (36:08.509) better wheels. Yeah. Yeah. Marc (36:12.569) Yeah, totally. Oti Skillbeast (36:24.029) Yeah, not only strength, but like it's a mix. It's also like very important to lift heavy. So when we age, you know, we lose also not only the muscle fibers, but also like the bone density. That's the thing you approach with lifting as well. know, so exactly. That's the most important thing. And women even more in the menopause, they lose a lot of bone density. Paul Fattinger (36:37.522) Mmm. Marc (36:40.313) That's right. Paul Fattinger (36:40.87) Heavy lifting, osteoporosis prevention basically. Oti Skillbeast (36:51.881) because the hormone status changes so abrupt that it has a huge effect on their bone density and on their thermogenic field in the body, Let me explain why I said it to the lady, because I think I remember and there a lot of cases why I say that. So imagine you haven't done sport for 10 years, okay? Marc (37:05.401) Mm-hmm. Paul Fattinger (37:06.994) Can I jump to... Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (37:20.489) And then you have been sitting in the last 10 years as a lawyer on the table the whole time so you've been sitting a lot and sitting and or lying down for a long period of time I mean, I think the scale for Two year two weeks bedridden is loss of muscle mass between 7 and 12 kilos something like that Yeah, so you've been sitting for the last 10 years and just doing that. Okay, which means Marc (37:42.456) Wow. Oti Skillbeast (37:49.679) Every muscle around your core, lower back, hip, legs is not there. Yeah. So now you have no muscles, which means you have no supporters for your knee, ankle, hip, lower back, et cetera. So now what I'm going to do, I want to be fit. I'm going to go run. Okay. Let's see you again in two or three weeks. My ankle is working. My ankle is hurting. My knee is hurting. My hip is hurting, et cetera. Yeah. Marc (38:10.457) Go. Paul Fattinger (38:15.728) Yeah, that's true. But I think you also said something is bad for your glutes. Oti Skillbeast (38:19.356) You need Oti Skillbeast (38:23.964) But for your glutes, yeah, I mean, when you like you, yeah, when you only run, when you only run, cardiovascular training means one, yeah, cardiovascular training means one thing. You also lose when you do a lot of running or a lot of cardiovascular training. Exactly. You burn muscle for energy. So and that's the thing. So we get older, we lose a lot of testosterone. Yeah. He's running and running and running, has no muscles in his body. Paul Fattinger (38:25.084) Bad for you. Paul Fattinger (38:31.666) You Paul Fattinger (38:38.162) You burn muscle for energy. Marc (38:42.201) Huh. Huh. Paul Fattinger (38:46.214) I lost my ass actually when I was running too much at 40. Oti Skillbeast (38:53.882) And after that accident as well, losing all that muscle where you have zero stability, where one side is going to take over because someone has to take over because the left side is not working. The problem is I'm just knocking. Marc (39:04.611) Mm. Paul Fattinger (39:06.62) What I find interesting in all the stats, because I researched a little bit, right? I mean, you hear all of these things, you need to build strength and muscle and you have to, and you hear Huberman saying you have to do resistance training and all of this is right, right? But I think one fallacy that I think we kind of use conveniently is that it's harder for us to metabolize. And I actually told my kids yesterday because the funny thing is the kids, mimic you, right? And they see me being Oti Skillbeast (39:10.792) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (39:16.826) Yeah. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (39:29.202) Yes, yes. Paul Fattinger (39:33.84) very aware of the things I eat and I'm trying to cut carbs and then my 11 year old starts, you know, I don't need carbs. I dude, you can burn like me. And we actually went on Jet GPT is like, how much does a, you know, an 11 year old that is growing burn a day and they burn as much or more than me as an almost 90 kilo quite fit 44. Exactly. so, but, and then I told them, listen, right now in your age, please eat whatever the fuck you want. Just no, not shit. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (39:34.994) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Marc (39:41.484) Yeah, exactly. Oti Skillbeast (39:48.198) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because, they're still growing. Yeah, they're still growing. So they need that stuff. Marc (39:52.75) Of Marc (40:02.862) Right. Paul Fattinger (40:02.972) I'm not talking chips. I'm not talking, but yeah, but don't cut back on your potatoes now, you know, or, or whatever once in a week you can have fries and then eat your fries, enjoy them and have ketchup for fuck's sake, you know, who cares your kid? Yeah. So, but, but not that. And then I told them, but you will see when you're 40, these things will change. And actually that's not true because your metabolism between the age of 20 and 60 doesn't change. What changes is that, you know, gradually your lifestyle changes. Oti Skillbeast (40:03.132) Careful, but careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oti Skillbeast (40:08.997) Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (40:23.142) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (40:32.85) It becomes more sedentary in a sense because in your 20s you still go to college, you do more sports, things like that. You sit more, you have more money to spend on booze, on food. And Mark and I, we are very guilty of all of this shit. Then you have kids and that is the death of many things. At least for a while and Mark is in the hot phase of this right now. Marc (40:32.856) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (40:53.64) Mm-hmm. Marc (40:54.296) Ha Oti Skillbeast (41:00.52) You Paul Fattinger (41:02.386) And then we just, you know, then that's where the dead body comes from, right? But it's, and it obviously is harder for us to build and maintain muscle and it's part of it, right? Because the more muscle you have, the more you burn. you know, a kilo of muscle burns more than a kilo of fat, very clearly and so on. So, but it is not, if we are, you know, as fit as we were, you know, when you were 25, you burn the same amount of calories. Your metabolism is the same. Marc (41:07.362) Anyway. Oti Skillbeast (41:18.855) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (41:28.624) And also, let me say one thing to that. The older you get, like you said, you have more money, you spend a lot of money on more shit. the older you get, the more you toxin yourself. Is that a good sentence? Intoxicate yourself. Marc (41:31.32) That's a bit of hope there. Go ahead. Paul Fattinger (41:32.946) Yeah. Marc (41:53.858) Yeah, yeah, you intoxicate yourself. Paul Fattinger (41:54.276) In Toxic Area, you put... Oti Skillbeast (41:57.341) So of course bro, the older you get, of course when you're booze, next day work. Booze, next day work. But we all know what happens after 30, after 35. Things get harder and harder and harder because the body also says, bro, I'm not 20 anymore. You kinda have to learn to listen to your body and... Paul Fattinger (42:01.97) Mm. Paul Fattinger (42:05.938) I should do a liver cleanse. Paul Fattinger (42:12.408) That's true. Paul Fattinger (42:21.52) No, I always say I've had my fair share, my life share of alcohol by the age of 42. Ever since then, it's been going downhill. That's I think I'm done. I filled my quota. Marc (42:29.177) Ha ha ha ha ha! Oti Skillbeast (42:29.754) Okay, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we need to be careful, you know, the thing my biggest my biggest thing right now is sugar. Yeah. I'm the biggest enemy now of sugar. So after my mom died two years ago, God bless her soul, she was diabetic her whole life, you know, and Paul Fattinger (42:43.334) I wanted to talk to you about that. Go ahead. Marc (42:56.441) Mmm. Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (42:58.952) I never had the perfect relationship with my mom. So when she came into the hospital I had like six months, but really got to know my mom. And after six months she was away and that really killed me mentally. So I was in a huge depression for the last two years honestly. I was in therapy and stuff and talked about it and it really helped me. Marc (43:09.368) Mmm. Marc (43:17.081) Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (43:26.3) Then I started to... try to figure out, okay, what is diabetes? What's happening there? Why did I lose my mom even? What happened there? And also like, so I started with that and I wanted also to get rid of this depression. I'm not the guy that gets bedridden and can't stand up and feels tired the whole time and like not whiny, but weak. Marc (43:37.465) Hmm. Hmm. Paul Fattinger (43:40.786) Mmm. Paul Fattinger (44:00.122) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (44:01.48) And I didn't like the feeling. I wanted to be available. I wanted to have kids one day. I wanted to be a better me. so the number one solution to get rid of your depression, guess what? It's cutting sugar. Yeah. And so I started it, bro. After 97 days, I lost 28 kilos. Marc (44:18.932) sugar totally yeah that makes sense Oti Skillbeast (44:29.927) That wasn't the goal though. The goal was to rid of depression. Since then I had no depression. Since I started it. I slept like a stone because I always had like 4 hours sleep, wake up on 2, 3. What is the timer when you have like pre-diabetic symptoms by the way. So when you stand up at 2, it's a symptom for pre-diabetic. Yeah, so be careful with that shit. Marc (44:37.112) Hmm. Paul Fattinger (44:56.178) Mmm. Marc (44:56.268) Really? Wow. Oti Skillbeast (45:00.107) And or when you have like some numbness in your feet also a symptom for pre-diabetic. Sleep through the night. Yeah, it's done. Yeah. And Marc (45:06.245) yeah, of course. Mmm. Marc (45:15.544) Mmm. Oti Skillbeast (45:19.515) You know, if you jump in that theme of sugar, you learn it's everywhere. It's everywhere. So the only thing you can do is just eat whole foods. Yeah. So I'm not going to eat anything processed. I'm not going to eating anything. One of the guys I'm following is Dr. Robert Lustigerfinger, his name. And he says... We don't know what to eat. Don't eat anything that has an advertisement in TV or anywhere or anywhere. Because then you know, yeah, because you never saw you never saw an advertisement about a potato or what was about avocado or you never saw an advertisement about an sour apple. Yeah. Only the gummy sour apple. And and and it makes such a huge difference. Paul Fattinger (45:53.618) That's a great ex... No, it's a great one. Marc (45:53.688) That's excellent guidance. Oti Skillbeast (46:17.948) Because you know what sugar does is one thing. What sugar does is one thing. So we all know it. We were working the whole day. We came home. We were tired and we want that feeling of I need something. I want to be alone myself. I want to. Marc (46:19.544) So smart. Paul Fattinger (46:37.678) Yeah, yeah, I treat myself. Oti Skillbeast (46:39.569) treat myself. I want to treat myself to some because I worked the whole day so hard and I want to treat myself. And what that is, of course, you're going to eat some sugar or you're going to drink a beverage, whatever it is, yeah, to feel better. So the problem is you're going to get the dopamine high. Yeah. And the dopamine crash, right? So the dopamine high and the dopamine crash means also you're going to get an insulin spike and an insulin crash. Marc (46:40.632) Yeah, exactly. Marc (47:01.346) Mm-hmm. Marc (47:07.426) Right. Oti Skillbeast (47:09.499) Yeah, sugar are two molecules, They are glucose. Glucose is very important, of course. Yeah, glucose is so important that we even produce it ourselves in our body because glucose is the energy in the mitochondria, in the cell that gives us the energy that makes like everything work, right? And the other thing is fructose. And fructose is a toxin. Yeah. And Marc (47:09.848) Right, of course. Marc (47:26.252) Mm-hmm. Marc (47:33.41) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (47:38.949) And it's everywhere. and it's everywhere. And the problem is also, know, Sugar has like, I think 280 names or something in the the in limsmith industry in the industry, in the food industry. Marc (47:39.117) Yeah. Marc (47:51.478) That, which is a huge insight, because I don't think people realize that, right? Yeah. Paul Fattinger (47:56.53) No, it's and if someone ever wants to super dive into this, I mean, you know, and I did with you all to last year that I wore a glucose, a continuous glucose measurement device, which, you know, is obviously divided for diabetics. And you just put in here on your arm and it just shows you what happens if you eat different kinds of foods and what happens to your insulin levels in your blood and how they shoot up after you ate like, say a croissant in the morning. Marc (47:57.592) It's easy to mask. Paul Fattinger (48:26.066) And it's sad. It's very sad. I also lost a lot of weight when I did this because then obviously I tried to beat the graph, which was completely besides the point because I wanted to test it. then, but that's me. Oti Skillbeast (48:33.307) But that's you, that's the other thing that works with you. You always compete against anything and anyone. But the problem is in the toxic... Marc (48:36.824) That's you. Marc (48:41.314) Do you to? Paul Fattinger (48:43.27) Yes. But anyways, it's maybe for smarter people than me that that's a great way to discover this. And there's great books like the Blue Coast Goddess, you know, what very famous and she's been on all the freaking podcasts, but but also great. So I love this your your crusade against sugar also that you know, you have a significant followership. It's awesome to pull people. Marc (48:45.624) You guys guilty. Oti Skillbeast (48:53.317) Yeah. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (49:02.151) I also wanted to say about the dopamine thing. So sugar is very addictive. It's in the same four types of things like cocaine, heroin, cheese as well by the way. these four, cheese, cocaine, heroin and sugar. They are all in the same four. Paul Fattinger (49:20.498) Cheese. Marc (49:23.619) my god, I love cheese. Oti Skillbeast (49:26.609) Sorry brother. He's like why did we fight this guy? He's destroying my life. so the problem with that is... I know dude. And the problem with that is... Okay, so you put sugar in yourself, You got the dopamine high, you got the dopamine crash, you got the insulin high, you got the insulin crash, So... Paul Fattinger (49:28.338) Hahaha! Marc (49:29.88) I'm not gonna tell you what else I like in this category is I like cheese. Paul Fattinger (49:31.91) Ha ha ha. Paul Fattinger (49:36.519) Ha Marc (49:38.296) It also goes well with cheese is this. know? A lot of champagne. Paul Fattinger (49:41.236) Hahaha! Oti Skillbeast (49:54.331) So the next day or the week one week later, you want to have like the same feeling of course of treating yourself. But this time it feels like kind of, why don't you get the same high like the last time? Because sugar is like everything that intoxicate you. Exactly. Paul Fattinger (50:17.138) It's like a fucking drug. It's a fucking drug. Oti Skillbeast (50:17.925) Yeah, because you know when they take something that gets your dopamine up and high, that's not normal. The body knows it regulates your dopamine high and down, right? So when you get the same thing over and over and over and over again, it's not going to get you like the same high every time. What this does, it's going to regulate receptors for it. So the next time you're going to take it, the receptors are not going to go like, it's going to go like, you know, just a little bit. Okay. Marc (50:29.901) Yeah. Marc (50:42.316) Hmm. Oti Skillbeast (50:47.514) Which means you need a higher dose. You see what I'm talking about? So now it gets more and more and more and the insulin goes up and up and up. And the one thing that regulates the insulin is the liver of course. Because like I said, fructose is toxic. And toxic, the liver gets rid of the toxic. And when it can't fulfill that, what's gonna start? Fat. Marc (50:49.816) Hmm. Hmm. Paul Fattinger (50:54.033) No, Oti Skillbeast (51:15.206) It's going to turn the insulin to fat and then you're going to start to save it. Thank you. Marc (51:23.928) I feel like you're giving a real-time explanation of what's happening to my body this weekend. Paul Fattinger (51:23.956) store it. Oti Skillbeast (51:29.924) Bro, yes, exactly what's happened. And you have to look at alcohol and sugar, you have to look at sugar as the same as alcohol because it's the same potato. Yeah, it's the same potato. Paul Fattinger (51:32.484) It's exactly what happens if you drink alcohol, you can't process anything and you can't burn fat. Marc (51:36.606) Yeah, but, but, fries and meat. Yeah, of course, of course. It's the same. It's the same. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (51:45.234) But you know, mean, talking about sugar, I think also does right touch on one topic that you always read and says, you how much of becoming healthier, living a healthy life happens in the kitchen and how much happens in the gym, your experience percentage wise. Oti Skillbeast (51:58.052) Honestly, it's it's what they ever said 70 % kitchen 40 % training Honestly, honestly, bro Paul Fattinger (52:09.084) That's fucking crazy. And we always, and everyone thinks it's 70 % supplements, 20 % training, and 10 % cooking. Marc (52:09.112) Next time. Oti Skillbeast (52:12.549) And I tell you, and I tell you, and I tell you, and I tell you, sugar is so addictive that if you don't have anyone that's gonna do it with you or that you have someone who's gonna control you, you're not gonna get rid of it alone. Never. Honestly. Honestly. Marc (52:32.864) It sounds like it's not you could supplement sugar like the way you're talking about it. You could supplement supplement sugar with cocaine and would make complete sense, you know, for it's as an addiction. Oti Skillbeast (52:39.302) Absolutely, bro. Absolutely. And I'm talking from experience. This is not something I say like to be over dramatic. I'm talking about experience. When I lost my mom, I was in depression. I gained 30 kilos in these two years from just eating and... Paul Fattinger (52:44.114) But it is true, And you know what's the, we talked about it the other day. Marc (52:50.453) Yeah, yeah, Marc (52:57.655) No. Paul Fattinger (52:58.458) No but, you know dude... Marc (53:03.66) BAH! Oti Skillbeast (53:06.306) No taking care of my body, no training, just working. I was just like, like, like, Paul, I was just running away from it. I didn't want to think about it. I just worked my ass off every day. I wasn't a gym till late came home, eat in between in the mid time. I was at home for one hour. And the thing with me was it, wasn't the food only. was the beverage as well. know, Coke, Fanta, yeah, a lot of Gatorades. Marc (53:17.784) Mmm. Marc (53:33.848) Yeah, yeah. Oti Skillbeast (53:34.552) all that sweet stuff, know, that's what gave me high and 33 % of high insulin comes from beverages, by the way, not only from the food. It comes from sweet alcohol, so like sweet drinks and stuff, cocktails and stuff, and like Coke, Fanta, blah, blah, all that, sodas. Let's say sodas before we get in trouble with Coke or something. Paul Fattinger (53:38.054) Nah, that's the worst, Paul Fattinger (53:49.008) That's crazy. Marc (53:49.314) Mm. Marc (53:55.928) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Paul Fattinger (54:01.724) But you know, I think... Oti Skillbeast (54:04.006) You Paul Fattinger (54:06.234) Yeah, that's okay, can sue us, that'd great publicity actually. If we get that far. Sue us, motherfuckers, sue us! You suck, sue us! Oti Skillbeast (54:07.271) Yeah. bro, and insulin is not all in it. And, the game weight is just one problem that, that arises from that. More promise going to be heart diseases, cancer, dementia. Yeah. Marc (54:09.408) Gotcha. Yeah Paul Fattinger (54:28.934) You know, I want to stop you right here. I want to keep our listeners here. This is no, no, I'm serious. No, but no, no, no, no. I think this is a great, you know, an absolutely great angle. However, I want to put, you know, a counter position there. think what what keeps a lot of people from from trying is the fear that they can make it. And you said it before, right? That's why you should have someone else. And I think that's also what you're trying to do with. Oti Skillbeast (54:31.75) Sorry, sorry. Oti Skillbeast (54:55.567) Exactly. Paul Fattinger (54:55.986) Talking very publicly about this in your experiences, about this on Instagram. But I think the air of perfectionism that we consume and that we are actually forced on our throats if we do consume social media is so strong that I feel that a lot of people don't even try. And what I find though quite significant is that you don't have to be perfect to actually achieve gains, meaning you don't have to eat absolutely no sugar. Oti Skillbeast (55:07.611) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (55:25.906) to be healthier. You don't have to train seven days a week to be healthier. So as long as you do this steadily, a lot of improvements can happen. And I wanted to ask you, if someone now came to you who was not looking after themselves enough, talk about a man, right? Man walks in, 43 years old, his kids are probably just finally both going to school. Oti Skillbeast (55:32.678) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (55:45.924) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (55:52.804) Yeah. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (55:54.962) So they have some time in the morning so they can come to one of your lessons, right? What do you tell them? You know, is the minimum they can do it and you can, also kind of like want them to do and you think they'd be able to do without jumping ship, right? That is, is achievable and has an impact. So what is that? You know, how many times in the gym, what kind of change in the diet? What is it? You know, what are the three, four things? Oti Skillbeast (56:07.554) Mm. Mm. Oti Skillbeast (56:18.832) From the diet plan I would say and I would suggest it to everyone who has like the symptoms and has high cortisol as well. Anti-vascular food which means no gluten, only... Paul Fattinger (56:30.631) Hmm? Marc (56:35.938) Right, right. Paul Fattinger (56:36.658) Or less. Or less. Or just no. Because no gluten means no pasta. But you lost 50 % of population now. Oti Skillbeast (56:38.857) No gluten, no gluten, no gluten. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No gluten, only really high profile good carbs, which means everything that's brown rice, fol corn, all that thing. So let's talk about pasta. Marc (56:56.354) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oti Skillbeast (56:59.841) If you eat pasta, please do it every four or six weeks or every three weeks even. I would be happy with it. And when you eat pasta, try please to get some protein on it. So I don't know, get some scampi in this, get some, for example, get what's the mozzarella on it. And please get high quality pasta only from Italy. Marc (57:15.116) Yeah. Marc (57:23.852) Buffalo mozzarella. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (57:24.071) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (57:30.927) You know why? Because the cheap pasta is gonna get produced and it's get packed. The high quality pasta from Italy by law they have to hang it for 72 hours which means all the starch, all the gluten can fall off. Yeah? And always do the pasta identity. Everything that's too soft from the pasta it turns to sugar. Marc (57:35.0) less sugars. Marc (57:50.008) Mm. Oti Skillbeast (57:58.777) Yeah Marc (57:59.254) Wow, that's a cool tip. Paul Fattinger (58:00.688) And another one there that I have through my, because I mean, obviously I like pasta with my, also my history and family exposure to this. And the kids love it, right? And they did it, they wanted pesto the other day and I always do it myself and it's also always quite fun, is portion control. Because we get used to, mean, if I, I can do a quarter kilo of pasta easily, that's what I did. But now I do, I don't know, 70 grams. Oti Skillbeast (58:06.693) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (58:15.417) That's it. Because when you go to the Italian restaurant... Marc (58:17.656) Mm-hmm. Oti Skillbeast (58:21.306) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (58:25.399) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (58:28.338) and that's really little and you have to have other stuff before and that's the other thing, right? Have maybe, you know, a filet of chicken before, a salad before and then you have that pasta or in the side or whatever, right? On the side and then it feels very, it feels actually quite satisfying and fulfilling. Just don't eat half a kilo of pasta because that's gonna fuck you up. But that was my problem. Oti Skillbeast (58:33.931) Exactly. Or on the side. Yeah. Fulfilling it. Oti Skillbeast (58:45.965) Yeah, bro when I remember as a kid as a kid, know as a kid I remember I had like I don't know half a kilo pasta and like two sammels three sammels on top of it Marc (58:49.006) Ha ha! Paul Fattinger (58:59.93) Okay, so we got side track, no gluten or little gluten. Next one. Oti Skillbeast (59:01.315) Yeah, true. No gluten, only gluten. Red meat twice a week. So we try to get inflammation all the way down. Red meat is very, you know, and even when you get red meat, high quality guys, really high quality. So I mean, grass-fed. Yeah, I mean, it's very hard in the States. Yeah, it's very hard in the States, I think. Marc (59:04.716) Porsche Control. Paul Fattinger (59:06.194) Motion control. Marc (59:10.157) there. Paul Fattinger (59:13.938) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (59:19.494) Yeah, of course. No worries. Don't worry about the quality. Marc (59:19.852) Yeah, of course. Don't worry. Marc (59:28.312) No, we're loaded with them. It's okay. Paul Fattinger (59:28.346) No, they get good. No, no. Oti Skillbeast (59:29.365) Okay, okay. Paul Fattinger (59:32.018) It's okay, yeah. Lots of GMOs, so don't have to take any other pills. Oti Skillbeast (59:35.074) laughter Paul Fattinger (59:38.458) It's already in there. All the antibiotics are already there. They come with the food. Okay, so red meat, no gluten, no gluten. Red meat twice a week. Marc (59:41.336) Yeah, exactly. Oti Skillbeast (59:42.935) Red meat twice a week, try to get as much greens as you can. So in the morning, start with some proteins and for example, get some rice or rice waffle, put some cottage cheese on it, get some avocado on it. Eat three to four of that, start at eight for example, get the first lunch around 11 or 12, get some really good carbs. Marc (01:00:04.184) Hmm. Oti Skillbeast (01:00:11.686) It can be potatoes, sweet potatoes as well. This is very good as well. have potatoes. How much protein per day? I mean, it depends on your weight. Yeah. 0.8 per kilogram, 0.1 gram per kilogram or 1.2. I even would suggest. Paul Fattinger (01:00:13.894) OK. Paul Fattinger (01:00:18.438) How much protein? How much protein? Yeah. Marc (01:00:29.334) Wait. Paul Fattinger (01:00:30.566) No, per pound. No, 0.8 per pound, no? Oti Skillbeast (01:00:31.897) Pound? No. Kilo. Paul Fattinger (01:00:35.922) No, how much should I? I mean, I have 90 kilos, I need to eat 140. Oti Skillbeast (01:00:36.261) You have 90 kilo you should have like 0.2 you should have around 100, 110 grams per day. Paul Fattinger (01:00:43.014) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (01:00:44.483) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And for example, for you even more because you train a lot. Yeah, because protein is a repair repair has a repair as well, you know. Marc (01:00:45.26) Well, okay. sense. Paul Fattinger (01:00:48.933) Okay. Paul Fattinger (01:00:55.354) Okay. Okay. Okay. So that's the food. Little to no alcohol, but in best case, no alcohol. Oti Skillbeast (01:00:59.523) No alcohol or little alcohol. the good amount of alcohol and sugar should be like 12 grams per day. Paul Fattinger (01:01:07.27) We're fine Mark. Look I mean... What? How much? 12, 1, 2. Of added sugar. Of added sugar or... Oti Skillbeast (01:01:10.117) 12 Want to? So 12 gram sugar, 12 gram sugar per day is allowed for the liver that the liver can like work without being like overworked, right? Now when you think about it, Mark, in the States, yeah, I think in kindergarten or elementary school, I think the breakfast in there is for, is a milk bread and orange juice. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:01:25.65) Fuck me. Marc (01:01:40.6) Cereals actually, it's a lot of high sugar cereal. No, I know I feed my kid. Oti Skillbeast (01:01:41.717) well and orange juice as well so imagine how much sugar it has 41 gram and that's the breakfast Paul Fattinger (01:01:48.242) Okay, so I think we're okay. And that's also mean at low inflammatory also means not so much dairy products, right? And cheese, especially cheese. Marc (01:01:48.49) yeah. Marc (01:01:52.738) Duh, it's crazy. Oti Skillbeast (01:01:55.101) Dairy products if you can yeah try to get dairy products from sheep you can get this from goat you can get from Marc (01:02:06.136) Mmm. Paul Fattinger (01:02:06.438) What do you think about the soya and coconut yogurt and stuff? Because thank you very much. Let's make this official. Oti Skillbeast (01:02:07.269) No guys, and women should get as less soy products as possible in the system. It doesn't have the estrogens but it has estrogen arega which means it gets your body to produce or get rid of Also if you drink coffee Marc (01:02:12.033) I agree. Paul Fattinger (01:02:29.244) Tofu sucks. Let's say it. That's why I've always said this. Marc (01:02:33.312) No, it's only good with pork. Paul Fattinger (01:02:36.132) Exactly, exactly. is it called? is it called? Mapu tofu, amazing. Oti Skillbeast (01:02:36.95) If you fast, if you fast and you drink coffee in the morning, try to get no half a milk. What's the half a milk? Marc (01:02:38.934) Bapotofu. Paul Fattinger (01:02:46.406) Yeah, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Marc (01:02:46.904) Uh, no cream, uh, heavy cream, uh, half and half. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (01:02:50.702) Half a brawl. It's not, Paul Fattinger (01:02:53.776) The thing that is in porridge. Porridge is made of oat milk. No oat milk. Jesus Christ, it's lit. So no oat milk. Oti Skillbeast (01:02:56.804) Oat milk, because oat milk also is an insulin spike. So get like, you can get rice milk, can get cashew milk, you can get almond milk, that helps. Non-sweetened of course. Marc (01:02:56.888) milk. Paul Fattinger (01:03:13.042) Yeah, non-sweetened. Okay, so now we are done. Let's stay with the food because out of 10 people that walked in, 8 already walked out. So let's try to really get rid of the last two. So how much sport should they do and what kind as a minimum per week? Oti Skillbeast (01:03:26.051) Yeah. Marc (01:03:26.424) Cheers! Oti Skillbeast (01:03:31.246) So resistance training twice or three times a week. Yeah. Two and three times a week. I would build it up like two full body resistance training. One focused on whatever you want to develop. So if you want to have a bigger chest, do a chest day. If you want to have a bigger bum, do a bum day. Never whatever you prefer. And one Paul Fattinger (01:03:38.098) Two to three times resistance training for one hour. Basically 45 minutes, one hour. Oti Skillbeast (01:04:01.821) to max so high intensity training and I would combine that with plios and plios I mean jump squads more like jumps whatever you because and and explosiveness yeah and I would do that bare feet on a hard surface because I want to work on the bone density yeah so we have four days a week yeah four days a week Marc (01:04:12.839) Okay, got it. Body weight exercises. Paul Fattinger (01:04:16.722) That explosiveness you mean. Marc (01:04:24.331) Yeah, that makes sense. Paul Fattinger (01:04:28.21) Okay, that's not too bad. That's not too bad. Oti Skillbeast (01:04:31.01) The fourth day that high intensity can be like the Norwegian four times four, which means four minutes, very slow, four minutes, very over above 150 pulls. to about 150. Yeah. You know, in the beginning, it's not going to be fast, honestly. Yeah. In beginning, it's not going to be fast, but you're going to get better and better and better, which means that the 16 minutes. Paul Fattinger (01:04:37.968) Yeah, I love that. Marc (01:04:45.111) Mm. Mm. Paul Fattinger (01:04:45.168) But I more, no? Paul Fattinger (01:04:51.75) No. Paul Fattinger (01:04:54.962) My VIA 2 max really, that was last year before my knee was a bit fucked up this summer. did lots of Norwegian 4x4s once a week running. Over 170 I tried to push it, so to go really in zone 5. Oti Skillbeast (01:05:05.292) Yeah. Too much. Yeah. Thanks too much, again, that's you. Marc (01:05:13.783) I think we're learning so much about Paul's obsessive nature here. Oti Skillbeast (01:05:16.664) Yeah, he's crazy. He's crazy. But he's very competitive and that's a good thing, honestly. But you also have to have the ability to listen to your body as well. What Paul's mistake is, I was doing this 20 kilometers run last year and one year later I'm going to do it without practicing, without doing anything. Just go for it. Let's do it again. Because I did it last year. Paul Fattinger (01:05:18.45) That's why it's a big surprise that everything is totally shot. Marc (01:05:27.383) Of course. Paul Fattinger (01:05:33.404) Sometimes. Marc (01:05:36.375) Now we're getting here. This is I was here for. Marc (01:05:44.983) Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (01:05:46.254) Yeah, but that's a thing. Paul Fattinger (01:05:49.569) It's not true actually, did it 20 years ago, I can do it now. That's kind of how I think. But okay guys, listen, I mean, now that we're at this climax of this podcast episode, and also into well over an hour, Mark, what do you, how can you summarize this, you know, our little episode today before we get to the, because we can easily, you know, do another few hours here. I'd love to save that though for the next time. Oti Skillbeast (01:05:50.702) Yeah. Marc (01:05:53.591) Yeah, yeah, it's usually... Oti Skillbeast (01:06:10.244) Easy. I didn't even went to the specifics. I was talking around, but I would love to go into more specific stuff. Paul Fattinger (01:06:19.515) No. Paul Fattinger (01:06:22.85) We will, we will man, we have a- Marc (01:06:24.919) Yeah, for sure. This is a tricky one because I feel, look, I mean, look, a headline is it's possible to have impact pretty fast. Just in hearing your stories, honestly, like, I think that's what I'm really struck by. I often call these kinds of conversations like kings of, know, inconvenient truths, you know, it's like, you don't want to hear them, but they're they're truths and you should know about them, right? And, but. Oti Skillbeast (01:06:47.876) Mm-hmm. Marc (01:06:54.199) the results sort of speak for themselves. I I think like, A, what you've been able to cut and to lose just by shifting diet, and avoiding those things to me is, and you're almost 40, right? So like, it's an interesting way, in addition to all your tips and stuff like that, that to me feels like, if you're gonna get on the pathway to meet some, Oti Skillbeast (01:06:57.922) Mm-hmm. Mm. Oti Skillbeast (01:07:02.596) Yeah, exactly. Marc (01:07:17.719) goals, be aware of some of the poisons that you're actually putting into your body. It's like, like, like, and the scale of them and you can pull some of them back. Look, I mean, I'm, I'm one of moderation. Like, I mean, as, I mean, despite me holding a magnum of champagne in my hand over here, I've been touching it. I love it. Exactly. Yeah. But, so, so Paul Fattinger (01:07:33.638) Have you been cuddling it a little bit? Have you been caressing the bottle? Did it grow? Is it now a nepo-garnetse? Oti Skillbeast (01:07:42.253) You Paul Fattinger (01:07:44.85) We'll talk about that too next time. Marc (01:07:47.8) So I believe in that because I think there's a there's a mindset issue in that I never really want to be for me being an optimized machine isn't living. But that's a whole other conversation. But you can stick with a good shit as you've been pointing out, I'll be and you can blunt a lot of the the impact on that in your body. If high quality. Paul Fattinger (01:08:06.634) Yeah. No, man, that's, I think that's also what I'm taking away. And this was what I've been taking away in the last year and a half that I, you know, worked with Auti that actually the most guidance I always actually got when I looked after my diet more and, sometimes I just don't. And then that's it. But I know I don't get frustrated by it because I know, okay, if I live like this, I can maintain. But if I just go to the gym now five times and I eat like this and I drink like this, it's not going to make a difference. Marc (01:08:19.71) Mm, that's right. Oti Skillbeast (01:08:32.216) Yeah. Marc (01:08:33.577) No, no, just... Paul Fattinger (01:08:34.322) And then you can actually sometimes do much less and be more disciplined with your sleep and sleep. And that's why I've been so deep into my HRV and being relaxed because I've been sleeping a lot and not relaxed. And I was wondering why. And you know that I keep my data and I've kept it for over two years now and analyzing it was extremely interesting that I just not getting enough rest. And that's also very, very important. Oti Skillbeast (01:08:46.276) Mm-mm. Marc (01:08:48.567) True. Marc (01:08:57.207) You know, one of the more powerful bits of truth bombs, guess, that I had, know, it's like, dear, I like to box, I like to get in the gym a lot and throw some fists and stuff like that. And the trainer basically said, he was just a funny guy, he's like, well, I don't care how much you're gonna be spending time in this gym, you can out eat how much you burnt off, like that. Like, you just make the wrong decision. Thank you for spending two hours with me. Oti Skillbeast (01:08:57.311) Very, very important. Oti Skillbeast (01:09:06.212) Yeah. Yeah. Oti Skillbeast (01:09:19.703) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:09:21.456) Yeah, exactly. No, I mean... Oti Skillbeast (01:09:22.882) Because one, one, like one, Marc (01:09:25.675) You just go to the taco shop and then, you know, eat. Paul Fattinger (01:09:27.92) He goes to tacos number uno where... Oti Skillbeast (01:09:28.684) I'm going to tell like one big lie out there also is that people still say and the food industry as well as they say a calorie in is a calorie out and that's not true. A calorie is not a calorie because you count because glucose has four calories and fructose has also four calories. But fructose is a toxin so even when Marc (01:09:30.87) Yeah. Marc (01:09:50.231) you Marc (01:09:56.023) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's right. Oti Skillbeast (01:09:58.144) So when I put the toxin in my body, yeah, that can't count as a calorie because it's way different biomechanics that's finding place instead of what I'm eating. You know what I mean? Paul Fattinger (01:10:13.38) Man, it's, it's, you know, absolute, that's a whole other rabbit hole. This is a whole other rabbit hole. But talking about truth bombs, though, talking about truth bombs, I want to take us to the idiot and terminator of the week. But those truth bombs there. Do we have truth bombs here? Oti Skillbeast (01:10:15.416) That's a whole other rabbit hole, but I just want to put it out there. Yeah. gosh, okay. Marc (01:10:26.119) gosh, okay, we're going there. Oti Skillbeast (01:10:27.937) You want to start, man? I think we... I mean, the one idiot I think a lot of the world is thinking about right now is your president. Marc (01:10:31.793) You're the guest. You're the guest. Paul Fattinger (01:10:33.572) You can pick, you can do whatever you want. Paul Fattinger (01:10:42.748) That's Mark's, now Mark has to find a new one because he's mentioning him every week. It's like, just really fucked up Mark's day. Marc (01:10:47.624) hahahaha Marc (01:10:55.809) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:10:58.77) No, that's good. Okay, you can take it. I mean, it's a solid choice. You can hardly go wrong. No, you can pick the terminator. I can tell you my edit of the week. And I'm kind of like, I've morphed the edit into the things that piss me off. And what really pissed me off in the past week was actually my back. And the fact that I felt like an 82 year old. Oti Skillbeast (01:11:00.643) I'm thinking about the Terminator, I'm thinking about the Terminator now this year, this last week, this week. Marc (01:11:03.639) It's like, it's like there's the most obvious one. Ha ha ha. Oti Skillbeast (01:11:11.895) Yep. Marc (01:11:14.263) Peace. Oti Skillbeast (01:11:24.355) you Paul Fattinger (01:11:26.386) that I had to step into an SUV with my head first to get my whole body in because I couldn't crunch. I couldn't get in normally. It was terrible. So, all day today, really... Jesus, fuck me. Why it hurts, I don't... Why? Why does it hurt? Because I was running. Yeah. No, no, no. I think this is your theory, but I don't agree with you. I think it's a... Oti Skillbeast (01:11:33.239) Hey Mark, ask him why his back hurts. Why did you back red? Tell him. You tell him. Without any warm up, without anything. Marc (01:11:38.961) Yeah, why does your back hurt? Marc (01:11:48.601) that's why. what? Why do without a warm? That is an idiot. Oti Skillbeast (01:11:53.943) I mean, it was a small run. was just five kilometers of fingerset. Right. But bro, it was a different bet. You traveled, you didn't warm up. That's the thing. Yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:11:55.846) Whatever. Paul Fattinger (01:11:59.364) Exactly. Exactly. Paul Fattinger (01:12:05.33) That's true. All of this is true. And that's my edit of the week. Yes, 44. Yes, thank you. Oti Skillbeast (01:12:06.753) And you're 40 too. Marc (01:12:10.359) All right, so I'm gonna combine my idiots and terminators. So I think I was telling you about my little bit of a blowout at Balthazar. And... Paul Fattinger (01:12:25.146) I love that we end this episode like this. It's like, I don't know what I just talking about, but... Oti Skillbeast (01:12:25.22) I love it. I love it. Marc (01:12:27.721) Yeah, exactly. the reason why we need to talk. Yeah, so like, you know, like, you meet a waitress or a server, you know, and she just like, isn't getting the vibe or the memo, right? Like, you know, like, like a parking here. was like, I'm like, no, like, you don't understand, like, I'm not leaving for a while. Like, you don't need to like, bring me the bill, right? Like, like, take the bill, turn it around. And she just kept like, coming, right? I was like, no, no, no. Oti Skillbeast (01:12:40.375) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:12:54.194) How often did you bring your bin? Marc (01:12:55.063) There'll be another round of martinis. I'm sorry, like we someone wants some fries. We were there for six hours. At least five, right? And then the best part was, she's like, my shift is changing. I was like, great. She's like, well, you need to sign out now, right? For that, I was like, cool. Then tell you the wait to come back and then we're order another bottle. It was just like that kind of fun stuff. Paul Fattinger (01:13:02.674) How many times did you try to bring it up here? Oti Skillbeast (01:13:04.963) That's insane. Oti Skillbeast (01:13:17.602) Yeah. Marc (01:13:22.303) Like by contrast, the new guy that came in there, you know, was like immediately got it, right? He's like, I know what's going on. I mean, granted. And I'm going to do everything to preserve what's going on here. So the table doesn't move. You know, I was like, trying to tell this other was like, yo, we're going to just take care of us. Give us the vibes. You we want to be here. And one walked away, obviously, you know, not to like. Oti Skillbeast (01:13:27.849) hahahahah Paul Fattinger (01:13:30.172) Ha ha ha! Oti Skillbeast (01:13:35.777) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:13:38.394) Hahaha! Marc (01:13:50.243) Punished, but we were very happy to give this other guy a nicer tip, know, for just like taking good care of us. you know, like talk about reading the room. So that's my idiot and terminator of the week at Balthazar. Oti Skillbeast (01:13:50.89) Yeah Oti Skillbeast (01:13:59.276) Nice. Paul Fattinger (01:14:00.548) Nice. Does he have a terminator Oti Skillbeast (01:14:03.027) Do you have a terminator? Paul Fattinger (01:14:08.22) I'll tell you one. You can think. I'll tell you one. My terminator is that it's finally snowing. It's been snowing for five days and more than that, it's been below zero, which rarely ever happens. So things have been actually, you know, frozen shut and sticking. And today was the first day of soccer practice again for Ale. And I was there. I think I got a cold actually because I was standing outside. It was actually literally snowing and the kids were playing. And then instead of drinking, they were opening their... Marc (01:14:13.65) god dude. Oti Skillbeast (01:14:15.423) video. Marc (01:14:19.669) Sticking. That's cool. Oti Skillbeast (01:14:31.842) Yeah. Paul Fattinger (01:14:38.072) and they had so much fun it was so beautiful to see but the fact that there is snow and actually snowed about a meter up in know in in in this kind of region and i'm going on wednesday so yeah that's my tournament Oti Skillbeast (01:14:49.055) Nice. Well, my Terminator... I still don't have one to be honest, but let's say... Marc (01:14:51.339) Awesome. Paul Fattinger (01:14:59.27) Hey, you can always pick me, man. That's okay. That's okay. That's totally fine. Oti Skillbeast (01:15:02.083) Pick me pick me. I think my terminator is You know what my terminator is that I finally like started this journey the sugar journey on Instagram it was a thing I already felt like after 30 40 days that interest was so high But I wanted to be like I wanted to do it for myself and didn't want to like put too much out there because I knew they want to do that and we're not gonna focus and I'm gonna focus more Marc (01:15:02.967) Pick me, pick me, yeah. Oti Skillbeast (01:15:32.12) And but my time is that I was ready now to do it. Paul Fattinger (01:15:32.604) That's nice, Paul Fattinger (01:15:39.858) Cool. Hey, kudos to that's a nice one. And to everyone who's ready for it. Guys, thank you so much. Thank you for being here and looking already forward to the next time. Because this was awesome. Thanks, man. Thank you. Bye, guys. Ciao. Well, you stay on. Ciao. Marc (01:15:40.055) Cool. That's a good way to close. Oti Skillbeast (01:15:41.475) We go. Oti Skillbeast (01:15:45.015) Thanks so much boys. Marc (01:15:48.609) Thank you. Likewise, likewise, this is a lot of fun. Oti Skillbeast (01:15:49.186) Yeah, honestly was so fun. Bye bye. Marc (01:15:55.704) Bye.